Teeing up Confidence, Connection and Community: Full Swing with Jamie Mowery

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Welcome to loud and lifted the podcast. It's

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all about women who show up lift each other up

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and dare to do things differently Today's best

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is swinging big and not just on the golf course

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I'm so excited to welcome Jamie Maori co -founder

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of she said golf a fast -growing community That's

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not just about playing the game but about changing

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it Jamie and her sister Julie grew up around

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golf But like many women didn't always feel like

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it was a place for them now They're rewriting

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the narrative one tee at a time She said golf

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isn't about scorecards and swing speeds. It's

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about confidence, connection, and creating a

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space where women feel welcome, supported, and

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inspired to try something new. It's about saying

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yes to the challenges, the awkwardness, the learning

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curve, and most importantly, to yourself and

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all it takes to place in a fun and inclusive

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environment. In addition, Jamie is the owner

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and founder of Anthem Marketing Group. where

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they provide strategic branding, social media,

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and web design. This episode is a hole -in -one

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for anyone who believes in the power of bringing

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women together and community. Let's get loud

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and lifted with the fearless and fun Jamie Mowry.

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I promise I won't use any more silly golf lingo.

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Oh, I loved it. I loved it. That was so good.

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Thank you so much for being here. And as I was

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saying to you earlier, when I started Loud and

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Lifted, you were on my short list of guests that

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I had to have on the podcast because you were

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doing what I talk about. You're bringing women

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together and lifting them up and supporting them

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in a big way, in a fun way. So thank you for

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doing that. And let's dig into how you even got

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started with She Said Golf. Yeah so thank you

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so much for having me and i love how you just

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said doing enough fun way i think we forget that

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fun is like the goal of life and we're just you

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know if we can make money and you know have fun

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doing it it's just amazing so i'm so glad that

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you said that because i do really think that.

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We started with fun in mind. We, as you mentioned,

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my sister and I grew up around golf, our dad,

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our mom, our brother, and we would go out and

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golf with them and we would do lessons when we

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were younger, but it was always just us and a

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bunch of boys. All of our friends were playing

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peel and hockey and softball. We naturally just

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wanted to do what the rest of our friends were

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doing. But then when we got into the corporate

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world, as I know you understand and a lot of

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women here understand is golf is kind of a big.

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Deal around corporate a lot of scrambles a lot

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of tournaments a lot of work goes down on the

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golf course and My sister and I started getting

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invited to a lot of those tournaments because

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they knew that we golfed But then we started

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hearing from other women like hey, I would love

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to learn I'm always left out of my company's

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golf and you know, I I want to do it too. Like

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how do you learn and We didn't have a solution

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for them because unless you're a member at a

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club, there's really no opportunity to go learn

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golf. And you're not just going to go buy hundreds

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of dollars worth of clubs and outfits and go

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get lessons unless you decide if you even like

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it or not. So we really just kind of said, you

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know, something about my sister and I is we're

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just doers. We're just activators. We come up

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with an idea and we think, you know, like, let's

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try it out. You know, if it doesn't work. it's

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okay, but let's just see the interest. And we

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planned our very first She Said Golf event in

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May of 2023, and it was just a range meetup.

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We just met at Liberty Forge. They have a great

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driving range there. We just invited women that

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we knew. I think we posted about it maybe once

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or twice, and we had like over 80 women join

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us. On the first event. First event. That's amazing.

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I mean, we had one pro come to kind of help,

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but we were just We had nothing official. We

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just said, like, hey, if you want to learn how

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to golf, come meet us and we're going to just

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do our best trying to get you into it. So when

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we saw that turn out, we were like, oh, wow,

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like this is a need. There is a missing. Link

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here of women, you know wanting to get involved.

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Maybe their husband plays their boyfriend plays

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But they just have never been introduced to it

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So that's really how we got started with it is

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just kind of seeing that there was a need out

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there and Deciding hey, let's just do something

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and see see if it's see if it works Yeah. Yeah.

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And you're so right. I mean, that whole story

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resonates with me. When I was working in corporate,

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there were all of these golf outings and you

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either were working or you went to the golf outing.

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So I'm like, wait, I should learn how to golf.

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I'm athletic. How hard can it be? And then the

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first time you pick up a club, you're like, Oh,

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okay. This is not something I'm just going to

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be great at and, you know, a few times at the

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driving range. And that intimidated me because

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I didn't want to go out and suck and look horrible,

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especially around a bunch of men who knew what

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they were doing. So having a place like that

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didn't exist when I first started golfing, but

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I would have been I probably would be better

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than I am now. That's not even about being good.

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What we mean when we've been out on the golf

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course and we're the only women is a lot of the

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men are bad, too. You know, and I think we just

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have this. mindset of like, oh, if we're bad,

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we don't belong. And that's, that's crazy. I

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mean, you never do something once and expect

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to be good at it, right? Like, you have to practice,

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you have to go out and try and the thing about

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these scrambles in these tournaments is you don't

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have to be good to play in them. I mean, scramble

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is, you know, you hit the best, whoever's ball

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was best, you go up and go from there. So I think

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it's more of like, Feeling the confidence to

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just go out there and do it because you know

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the rules, you know what? To hit you know not

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to step on someone's line like that kind of stuff

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is what we're really trying to Help women with

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because at the end of the day men shank the ball

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to have awful shots You know, it's really that

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is not that is not you know, but your point it's

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the confidence and and I did and it's I I still

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say this, and I've been golfing for how many

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years, is my goal was just not to suck and be

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embarrassing. I don't have to be great. I want

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to hit the ball every once in a while, solid

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at least, but let's not be embarrassing. That

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was my bar. They'd rather play with someone who

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might not be able to hit the ball that well,

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but they at least know how to keep pace of play.

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They pick up the ball and just move on. They're

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fun. That's what people care about. They don't

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really care if you hit. a ball 207 yards they

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care if like you kind of understand the concept

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of golf. Keep a good pace and have fun. That's

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what I bring. Right. Exactly. It's definitely

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the fun part of that for sure. So for those who

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aren't familiar, tell a little bit more. What

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does She Said Golf all entail? Yeah. So we now

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do probably 50 events a year and they all range

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from range meetups. So we try to do a range meetup

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once a month. We just had our first one of the

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year last week, which was great. So that entails

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really showing up to the range. If you don't

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have clubs, we bring clubs. So that's not an

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issue. You get unlimited balls. We all hang out

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underneath the bays. We get a drink. They have

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food there. We have a couple pros that come to

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help with your swing. And you really just, it's

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a great opportunity to just meet women who are

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also interested in golf. It's super low pressure.

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And then we do clinics, which is really helpful

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because we'll, you know, do different specific

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ones, like an intro to golf clinic or more intermediate

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clinic, clinics just about like getting it out

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of the sand. Like we just try to do some nice

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basic clinics to help. And that's great for all

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levels, you know, even if you've been golfing

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for a couple of years, it's it's so great. And

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then we do some scrambles throughout the year.

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So, Betsy, I know you've joined us. Yes, the

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last two. Yes, we do one at the end of the year,

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which is like a really fun theme. We get whole

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sponsors and then we give part of the proceeds

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to girls on the run because we really feel a

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connection with what they do for young women

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and what we're doing for. older women as kind

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of a similar concept of just instilling confidence.

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So that's where we're at right now in terms of

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She Said Golf. We're just in central PA, but

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our reach has expanded through social media,

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which has been really fun posting there and getting

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some followers from all over the country. So

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what you're saying is we need to make this a

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national thing. I think so. Absolutely. No, and

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I think to the point about meeting people, because

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when I first started golfing, I didn't know any

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other women who were golfing or if they did,

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I didn't know that they were. So once you started

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seeing people post or at events, I'm like, oh,

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wait, you golf? Let's go out. So it gave me someone

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to golf with because the only poor person who

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was golfing with me is my husband, which he's

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patient and didn't care. So it was just having

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that connection to other people. Like, hey, we're

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kind of on the same level -ish. Let's go out

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some Saturday and hit nine. Honestly, Julie and

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I started it out of selfish reasons because we

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didn't have any friends that golfed. We were

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like, there has to be more women out there that

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can golf or at least are interested. So really

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that's kind of how it started was like, let's

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find some other women that golf. Yeah. Yeah.

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And let's talk about the vibe because you're

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explaining this all very nicely, but if someone

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checks out your Instagram, they'll quickly get

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the vibe. Talk about the vibe when you come to

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these meetups. Yeah. So Julie and I have played

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in so many scrambles, so many tournaments, and

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they are kind of blah. right? I mean, they're

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just like, kind of the same thing over and over

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again. And yes, most of them go towards some

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type of nonprofit. And there's, you know, a meaning

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behind it, which is wonderful. But it just seems

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like they're all kind of the same. And Julie

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and I were like, let's create a scramble that's

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totally different. That is actually fun to play

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in. It's funny because a lot of times people

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say women are slow golfers and we have played

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in scrambles where it's all men and they take

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six hours to play. Right. Because everything

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has to be perfect. Yeah. Our scrambles are opposite.

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We honestly really care about pace of play. We're

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like, hey, not playing well, pick up your ball.

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None of us are going into the LPGA. We're not

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playing for money. Let's just keep it fun. So

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yeah, our scrambles are definitely fun. They

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are play music, have drinks, hit your ball. If

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it goes five feet, pick it up. Cheer people on.

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I'm such a big cheerleader at golf, and it's

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funny when I do play with men. They're like,

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oh, I'm like, amazing. Great hit. Do that. You're

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supportive. And they're like, uh, um, so yeah,

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we, our first one was a Barbie scramble. Um,

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our, our last one last year was the tea hall.

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It was a rodeo. We had line dancing. We, um,

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you know, talking about supporting other women.

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We really try to. bring other women businesses

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in. So even like at our last range meetup, we

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had a young girl who's 18 that started like a

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bracelet company. So she came and was doing custom

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bracelets. So we really do try to bring as many

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women together as possible. Even if you have

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no association with golf, we've really tried

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to let everybody kind of join in. You really

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know how to throw a party and make a theme. I

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mean, everything I've been to is just so well

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done that like, oh right, I'm here to golf, but

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also this is so fun. We can all just hang out

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and meet people. And you know, while part of

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it's intended to be that obviously social, but

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also the business piece, like I've met people

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that, you know, have certain connections within

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the market. You're like, oh wait, I need somebody

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to do this. I know I met this woman at She Said

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Golf. So it is... professional besides the super

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fun social part. Yes. I think that's something

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Julie and I realized right away was the women

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that were attending our events were really wonderful

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women, regardless of golf. Like they were realtors,

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they were financial advisors, they were in the

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insurance industry, they owned their own businesses.

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Some were stay at home moms who had just raised

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their kids and now we're looking for things to

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do outside of that. So we kind of thought right

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away. Like this is a huge opportunity for people

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to get to know each other. We just had our first

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trip. We did our first she said golf trip over

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a master's weekend. We went down to Dewey Beach,

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Delaware. We wanted to play on something where

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it was close enough to still drive. However,

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we had women that flew in from Michigan, Florida.

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We had women from Maryland that had never attended

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anything. She said golf. So even that was huge

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of like reaching people. you know, talking about

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the vibe, they were able to see our vibe from

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Instagram and know like, oh, OK, we're going

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to have fun or we're going to fit in, you know,

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just kind of by seeing that. But we had a group

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of girls there that all lived in the same neighborhood

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in Mechanicsburg, but never knew each other.

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Oh, geez. Oh, that's funny. And they met there

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and they were like, oh, my gosh, you live on

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whatever street. And they're like, yeah. And

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now they're like hanging out. Oh my gosh, they're

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already together. And I'm like, that is the freaking

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goal at the end of the day is like that people

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that live live down the street from each other

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are now meeting because of she said golf. That's

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so awesome. And at any event that I've attended

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to, obviously there's a bunch of women, but it

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feels so inclusive. There isn't, I mean, sure

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there's groups of people who may know each other,

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but it doesn't feel clicky. There's nobody sitting

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or standing by themselves like awkwardly in a

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social situation. Everybody's just so warm and

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welcoming, even if you don't know anybody to

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go and show up. So the fact that you've been

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able to build this community that's so authentic

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and real and like for real supportive, you're

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right. The amount of cheering that goes on. Maybe

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not like on the regular golf days, but it is

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so supportive. And you're right. Somebody has

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a great shot. You're so proud of your friend

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or person you just met. Well, because people

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will say to me like, oh, are you good at golf?

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And I'm like, sometimes. It's not really something

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like I'm like, oh yeah, I'm good. No, like some

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days I'm good. Some days I can't hit the ball.

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Just like everybody else. Yeah. And I'm so glad

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you said that about the inclusivity because I

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think There are groups that say they empower

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women or they are all about bringing women together.

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But we grew up with a father who would make us

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sit at different tables at family functions you

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know like we would go to Thanksgiving and maybe

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want to sit together and my dad would be like

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go sit with your cousin who you haven't seen

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in a while or we would go to you know an event

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with him for work and he would say like okay

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go mingle don't hang out with me you know like

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this is your opportunity and I really think that

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that comes across when it you know when it comes

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to our events is we really are there to like

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meet people um and to talk to people and to you

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know learn people's names and you know that that

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quote like you can lead a horse to water but

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you can't make them drink like i think all of

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our women they show up which i'm so proud of

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them for because that in and itself is hard to

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you know you sign up one day and you're like

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oh i'm so excited and then the day comes and

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all of a sudden you're like Oh, you know, do

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I really have the social battery? But, um, you

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know, we have women, I think because they have

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showed up to our events alone that they get it.

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And so now they're like, are she said golf ambassadors?

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Like they walk right up to people when they can

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tell that they're new and they're like, Hey,

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what's your name? Have you been golfing? Like

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what, you know, they really start to try to get

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to know them. And I think that really is such

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a big part of it because we've all walked into

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events where It's like awkward. You know, you

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walk in and no one's saying hi and no one's and

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we pretty much do the opposite of that. We're

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like, hello, hi, what's your name? No, you're

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so right. And that's that whole, when you're

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getting comfortable with being uncomfortable

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and that is any part of your life and social.

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And I get it. Some people are more extroverted.

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I'm super extroverted. I have no issue walking

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into a room and not knowing anybody else. I'll

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find someone to talk to, but putting yourself

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out there, going to these events. Oh, and then

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by the way, picking up a golf club that maybe

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you've never done before. You're just getting

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people out of their comfort zone, which to me

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ultimately just helps you grow, especially talking

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to new people. Kim said that on our second episode,

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and she's right, she would yell at us in corporate

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events if we were sitting with our... coworkers,

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like go talk to somebody you don't know, put

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yourself out there. And you never know where

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those relationships were going to go from in

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the future. And we all are like two degrees of

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separation or whatever that saying is. Like you

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can always find something to talk about or someone

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that knows somebody. And, you know, it's funny,

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I am actually, I consider myself introverted,

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which I don't think anyone else would consider.

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I know, but I really, I'm super Creative I'm

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very like I get energy from being alone Where

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my sister Julie she's extremely extroverted and

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she gets energy from being with people So I just

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think it's honestly just like the mindset you

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put yourself in like if you come to one of our

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events and meet one person That's a win. You

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know, you don't have to walk in and try to meet

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everybody even if you come to one of our beds

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meet one person and find out how that you were

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gripping the club wrong and now you know how

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to grip it right and now you can hit the ball

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better like we have women that say oh my gosh

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I came to the range meetup and one of the pros

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totally all he did was like tell me to move my

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wrist one way and now I'm hitting the ball so

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well you know so it's even if you just get like

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an ounce and we keep all of our events extremely

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affordable we're just so big on that because

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the whole Point of she said golf was to make

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it accessible for everybody you know not everybody

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especially in today's day and age if a lot of

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women are single a lot of women you know don't

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have aren't married with a husband that might

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normally get that country club membership or

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they might not want to spend a thousand dollars

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a month the cost to be a member so we're just

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like you should be able to learn golf and go

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golf places without. Having to be a member at

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a club. So we try to keep it extremely accessible

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for everybody to join That's a great point. So

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is anything surprised you about this community

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that you've built? Surprised me You know, I think

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that when we are younger we have so many opportunities

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where we're jumping into new things right like

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we are learning sports, and it's easy because

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we're just so ingrained. We're learning new subjects.

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We're in new classes, and we're just so used

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to the newness of learning things. And I think

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as we get older, we get really stuck in, OK,

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this is what I'm comfortable at. You know, this

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is my thing. And there is this quote that I love

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that says, like, what you love, even if you left

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it, it will welcome you back. So I always think

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like I used to sing. I can still go sing. There's

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no reason I need to stop just because I haven't

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done it in a while. And I think a lot of people

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think of that when it comes to something like

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golf, with a lot of women say, oh, I used to

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play. Or when I was younger, I played. Well,

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come try again. And I think we just get so stuck

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in just doing the same things in the routine.

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And I think you had said earlier, like, it just

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starts to get you out of your comfort zone. And

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the way that trickles down into other aspects

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of life is huge. So that part has surprised me.

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Like I'll see women, they'll come to some, she

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said golf stuff. And then all of a sudden there,

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I see them working out in a new gym and all of

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a sudden doing all of these new things. We have

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this one girl, Emily, who we just absolutely

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adore. And she was one of our. OG, she said,

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golf girl, she had never golf before. And she

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now is obsessed with spinning classes and was

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like, I never would have gotten into spinning.

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And now she's like doing all of these new things.

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And she said it stemmed from coming to She Said

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Golf and like starting to get that confidence

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of doing all of this other new stuff. So I just

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think, you know, it's that one thing that that's

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all it takes. And I've just seen that happen

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so much with our group. I love that. So that's

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not positive. And I don't mean to go negative,

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but has there been negative or not maybe everybody

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embracing, I guess is the right word outside

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of this amazing group. Like, is there, you know,

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clubs or organizations or men? You know, like,

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what are you guys doing? Men? Yeah, we have not

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had. Much negativity at all regarding our group

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internally I think that you know You just kind

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of find out some of the things that you like

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or don't like you so what some women are really

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good now So like some of our clinics don't work

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for them anymore because they've exceeded You

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know the intro which is great and we're growing

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with that and starting to offer some other options

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for them But yes, the men part I would say that

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was It's getting a lot better. But one of our

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reels that really went viral was we were playing

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at a local course. And within the first half

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an hour of being there, we got four comments

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from random men that we were so used to. You

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know, like Julie and I have heard all of that

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so many times. But one of the girls that we were

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playing with was new to she said golf. And she

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was like, what? Is this normal like this isn't

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normal and we were like, oh no it is and she's

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like This is why people are uncomfortable coming

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to play and you know, the comments were oh did

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your husband's let you out of the house today?

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I Don't have a husband, you know, like I Awful

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comment another one was how much did they charge

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you to play here? Another one was are they letting

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you play 18 or are you only allowed to play nine

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holes today? Oh my gosh like awful comments.

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And I think Julie and I just let those roll off

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because we were so used to hearing stuff like

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that. And the girl we were playing with was like,

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this is why I would never come golfing. Oh my

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gosh. Were these older men just curious? Yes.

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Yeah. But honestly, not, I think it's just such

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a stereotype that even the younger guys like

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kind of take that type of talk on as well. And

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then we've had where the men are like, Hey, I

00:23:05.700 --> 00:23:08.000
have a daughter who's eight and I want her to

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:11.369
get Oh, that's cool. So I would love to like,

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if you guys are, you know, offer anything for

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like younger girls. So I think, you know, there

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is a plethora of, of comments that we have received.

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I think that is why we were so adamant on like,

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teaching the rules and keeping pace of play because,

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you know, we're already going to get the comments.

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Yeah, I've had that happen too at a club course

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where they want to go in front of my husband

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and I because they think I'm going to be slow

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and sack. I'm like, you have no idea how fast

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I am, to your point. If I'm having a bad day,

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picking up that ball and moving on. So I think

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we did let them go in front of us because I didn't

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want to be having that pressure the entire time.

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And they were terrible. They were terrible. I'm

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better than you. Always happens. Just assuming

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I wouldn't be able to hang. So that's not frustrating.

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I think as our group is two years old now, and

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I just think you do see so many more women at

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the driving range. And, you know, maybe still

00:24:06.500 --> 00:24:08.619
not as many on the course, which we're really

00:24:08.619 --> 00:24:11.700
trying to change that. But I do think it's it's

00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:15.940
helping a little bit where, you know, we the

00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:19.099
comments are less and less. But that is just

00:24:19.099 --> 00:24:20.779
something. And I think if you're not comfortable,

00:24:21.220 --> 00:24:24.200
we can we can hit the ball far and we still get

00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.640
the comments. So I can only imagine. Yeah, for

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starting off. But I love when I go to the club

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and there's the foursome of the older 70s, maybe

00:24:33.220 --> 00:24:36.279
80s, definitely past 60s year olds golfing and

00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:37.859
they're out there all the time. And I'm like,

00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:40.599
so that's amazing that women at that and they're,

00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:42.279
they're decent, right? So it's amazing women

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at that age. started probably when it was really

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not acceptable and here they are. This is something

00:24:47.779 --> 00:24:50.359
you can do when you're retired and out with your

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friends or your husband or whatever. Our grandma

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is 93 years old and she still golfs. Oh my gosh.

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That's amazing. It's amazing. You see a lot of

00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.619
stuff too of like women mad because their husbands

00:25:03.619 --> 00:25:07.299
are going to golf or you've seen like, oh, now

00:25:07.299 --> 00:25:09.579
is it tis the season ladies, your husbands are

00:25:09.579 --> 00:25:11.579
going to be gone for six hours on a Saturday

00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.680
and you're stuck with the kids. I look at it

00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.140
opposite, like you come to learn how to golf

00:25:17.140 --> 00:25:20.559
too, so that. The next Saturday, you can be out

00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:22.519
playing golf with the girls and you guys can

00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.759
switch or you guys can do your date nights. Like

00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:26.720
my sister and I grew up, our family, that was

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:28.539
like a thing we did together, our parents golf

00:25:28.539 --> 00:25:30.980
together. So we grew up seeing that and seeing

00:25:30.980 --> 00:25:33.960
how fun that could be, you know, like going out

00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.920
on a Friday night and going to golf and doing

00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.039
a date night. And I think like trying to change

00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.900
that stigma of like, oh, only the men goes in

00:25:41.900 --> 00:25:44.880
golf and then the woman stays home. Like, no,

00:25:45.059 --> 00:25:47.039
girlfriend, come golf with us too and learn how

00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.460
to golf or go golf with your husband. So really

00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:53.220
trying to change that narrative as well. I know.

00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.299
I'm trying to get my teenage daughters into it

00:25:55.299 --> 00:25:56.940
and they're like, oh, it looks boring. I'm like,

00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:00.000
let's go try it. Really golfing sure is boring

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.640
after a while, but like, let's go to the driving

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.900
range, just hit some balls. So I think I've convinced

00:26:03.900 --> 00:26:05.599
the younger one to give it another shot. She

00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.859
did it a few years ago, but it is to get them

00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:10.069
out. Alright, so I have to switch gears a little

00:26:10.069 --> 00:26:12.450
bit. So you posted on LinkedIn a couple weeks

00:26:12.450 --> 00:26:14.730
ago, a post that totally resonated with me and

00:26:14.730 --> 00:26:17.609
kind of sticks with these labels that we give

00:26:17.609 --> 00:26:19.910
people. And you talked about when you started

00:26:19.910 --> 00:26:22.069
your career that you were called the marketing

00:26:22.069 --> 00:26:25.029
girl. Again, I can totally relate. I was totally

00:26:25.029 --> 00:26:27.470
called the marketing girl. And then you talked

00:26:27.470 --> 00:26:30.089
about the girl boss label, which same thing.

00:26:30.349 --> 00:26:32.150
I can't stand it. Like, why are you calling me

00:26:32.150 --> 00:26:34.750
a girl boss? So why do you think people still

00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:37.509
use those labels? And then how do you think we've

00:26:37.509 --> 00:26:39.710
flipped the script on that so that we're helping

00:26:39.710 --> 00:26:42.930
the next wave of women and our wave to step up

00:26:42.930 --> 00:26:46.509
to that? Yeah. I think that, you know, I say

00:26:46.509 --> 00:26:48.210
girlfriend a lot. Like, I'll be talking to someone.

00:26:48.309 --> 00:26:50.569
I'm like, hey, girlfriend. Hey, girl. Like, I,

00:26:50.690 --> 00:26:54.920
and I do, I do do that. And I think that it's

00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:56.839
friendly. I don't think there's anything wrong

00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.119
with the way you want to speak to somebody. But

00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:04.259
I think professionally, it can be really detrimental

00:27:04.259 --> 00:27:07.660
to say words like that. So I remember one of

00:27:07.660 --> 00:27:10.839
my first jobs, I was consistently called the

00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.859
marketing girl over and over and over again.

00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.960
And it was like the head of the company would

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.220
loop me in on email and say, like, our marketing

00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:22.900
girl will handle this. And I know deep down,

00:27:23.049 --> 00:27:26.069
He what he's not a bad person and wasn't doing

00:27:26.069 --> 00:27:29.750
it. We're saying it to make me feel any sort

00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:32.869
of way, but it made me feel a sort of way. It

00:27:32.869 --> 00:27:38.430
made me feel like. I think in this marketing

00:27:38.430 --> 00:27:42.390
position, I think the position that I that I

00:27:42.390 --> 00:27:45.230
had and that I even have now is predominantly

00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:47.990
women that have that are in these social media

00:27:47.990 --> 00:27:52.269
roles, and I think they have been paid very poorly.

00:27:52.569 --> 00:27:55.650
these positions because, and I kind of came up

00:27:55.650 --> 00:27:58.369
in my career where social was very much a thing

00:27:58.369 --> 00:28:01.509
and no one would listen to me. I would say, you

00:28:01.509 --> 00:28:03.829
should start posting on LinkedIn. You need to

00:28:03.829 --> 00:28:05.250
start building your brand on LinkedIn. And I

00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:07.789
was saying this like 10 years ago. And some of

00:28:07.789 --> 00:28:09.369
the insurance agents would look at me and say,

00:28:09.390 --> 00:28:12.170
well, what's the ROI on that? Why would I spend

00:28:12.170 --> 00:28:14.670
time doing that? What's the ROI? And I would

00:28:14.670 --> 00:28:18.569
say the ROI is you're posting consistently, putting

00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:20.250
stuff out there that people are getting to know

00:28:20.250 --> 00:28:25.559
you again for free. And when their premiums go

00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:28.480
up and they're having a bad experience with their

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:32.599
agent now, they think, oh, that's right. Joe

00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:35.200
Smith is always posting. I think he's an insurance.

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:39.019
I should reach out to him. And it's so funny

00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:41.660
because now that's all that's out there. People

00:28:41.660 --> 00:28:43.799
are posting, doing their personal branding all

00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.880
on LinkedIn. So I think I always took it offensively

00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.859
because, you know, the word girl is someone young.

00:28:51.950 --> 00:28:54.250
someone that probably doesn't have much experience,

00:28:54.390 --> 00:28:55.630
someone that probably doesn't know what they're

00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:58.190
talking about. And I always kind of felt like

00:28:58.190 --> 00:29:01.450
I do know what I'm talking about. My title is

00:29:01.450 --> 00:29:04.349
marketing coordinator, marketing executive, the

00:29:04.349 --> 00:29:09.910
marketing manager. those titles are there because

00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:12.890
I started out as a coordinator and now I'm an

00:29:12.890 --> 00:29:14.630
executive and now I'm a manager. It's because

00:29:14.630 --> 00:29:17.869
I'm going up in the ranks and I'm learning more

00:29:17.869 --> 00:29:20.250
and I have more to give and I have more experience.

00:29:20.369 --> 00:29:22.049
And by calling me a marketing girl, you're putting

00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:25.589
me back down to someone that doesn't have much

00:29:25.589 --> 00:29:28.210
experience and someone that doesn't know a lot.

00:29:28.589 --> 00:29:30.670
And I think that's the same thing with the girl

00:29:30.670 --> 00:29:34.250
boss roles. When we're saying girl boss, it's

00:29:34.250 --> 00:29:37.599
putting it out there that we're different. We

00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.059
are somehow a different type of boss because

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:43.099
we're a woman and we're not. We're just the boss.

00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.680
We're just someone that owns the company, that

00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.839
runs the company, that is doing whatever just

00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.400
as a man is. So I think it's critical that we

00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:56.380
start calling ourselves for what we are and who

00:29:56.380 --> 00:29:58.680
we are. And I know a lot of people don't even

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:00.599
go with titles anymore, which I'm kind of the

00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:02.720
same. I don't really know what people's titles

00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:08.440
are, but You better not call me a girl. I'll

00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.299
tell you that much. What happens when they do

00:30:10.299 --> 00:30:11.980
or for other people? Do you correct them? Do

00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:14.740
you say, hey? I used to. Yeah. I would say I

00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:17.539
don't get called. I don't get called a marketing

00:30:17.539 --> 00:30:20.339
girl anymore, but I also work for myself. So

00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:22.599
maybe some of my clients might say, oh, we have

00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.019
a marketing girl. I don't really know. I do hear

00:30:26.019 --> 00:30:28.779
them say a lot more often, like we have a marketing

00:30:28.779 --> 00:30:32.240
team or we use Anthem to help with our marketing.

00:30:32.740 --> 00:30:35.539
So I have seen, I don't see it really as much

00:30:35.539 --> 00:30:38.420
anymore, but I remember when I was called it.

00:30:39.409 --> 00:30:42.430
started calling my boss out at the time. I would

00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:44.049
say, like, please. You do have to. You can do

00:30:44.049 --> 00:30:46.650
it in a respectful way and a nice way, but you

00:30:46.650 --> 00:30:49.630
do. And I even, not that long ago in my career,

00:30:49.890 --> 00:30:52.369
had somebody, a consultant who came in and he

00:30:52.369 --> 00:30:54.730
kept referring to the women on my team as girls.

00:30:55.049 --> 00:30:56.470
Oh, I gotta talk to the girls. And I'm like,

00:30:56.809 --> 00:30:58.109
who are the girls? Are you talking about your

00:30:58.109 --> 00:31:00.430
grandkids? Like, and I said to him, serious,

00:31:00.549 --> 00:31:02.690
but joking. And he's like, oh, I'm like, they're

00:31:02.690 --> 00:31:05.109
not girls. They're 30 -some -year -old women.

00:31:05.430 --> 00:31:08.089
So say the team or whoever, but please don't

00:31:08.089 --> 00:31:10.589
call them girls." And he was like, oh, so it

00:31:10.589 --> 00:31:12.789
wasn't malicious, right? I don't think it was

00:31:12.789 --> 00:31:15.250
intentional, but he just wasn't even aware. Well,

00:31:15.289 --> 00:31:18.410
until you say it, boys. That's where I think

00:31:18.410 --> 00:31:20.789
all of a sudden - Let's call the ops boy. Yes.

00:31:21.009 --> 00:31:23.029
All of a sudden, I think when you say that, all

00:31:23.029 --> 00:31:25.009
of a sudden men are like, oh yeah, that does

00:31:25.009 --> 00:31:26.670
sound bad. It does sound bad. Yeah. You wouldn't

00:31:26.670 --> 00:31:28.569
say, oh, the boys that are sitting over there.

00:31:28.589 --> 00:31:30.670
You just would never. You would never say it.

00:31:30.779 --> 00:31:34.380
the more we can just change that of like and

00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:36.220
you know people will comment on a post of mine

00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:37.599
or something and say like you're such a girl

00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.640
boss and I wouldn't I don't comment back saying

00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.059
like don't call me that but I think if we can

00:31:42.059 --> 00:31:46.049
just lead the way and yeah. But we've made that

00:31:46.049 --> 00:31:47.829
almost like a cool thing. There's, you know,

00:31:48.069 --> 00:31:50.670
merchandise and there's name tags and people,

00:31:50.869 --> 00:31:52.450
especially I think when women say it, they do

00:31:52.450 --> 00:31:54.369
think it's a positive thing. Because again, we've

00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:57.250
just been programmed to think that that's okay.

00:31:57.690 --> 00:32:00.309
So I think a lot of times it's never been intentionally

00:32:00.309 --> 00:32:03.349
to be mean or disrespectful, but it does. And

00:32:03.349 --> 00:32:05.490
it's the same thing with a girl golfer. Like,

00:32:05.630 --> 00:32:09.269
no, I'm just a golfer. That's said a lot and

00:32:09.269 --> 00:32:12.210
that's on merch a lot. Like, oh, this golf girl.

00:32:13.679 --> 00:32:16.160
What, what's another one that well, it's the

00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:17.980
same with like where it will say like, you know,

00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.940
hit it like a girl or run like a girl, all of

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:23.180
that kind of stuff. When you put that like a

00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:27.700
girl, you are diminishing what it actually is.

00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:29.759
Like, no, you're just a golfer or no, you're

00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.140
just a runner. You were just, you know, you don't

00:32:32.140 --> 00:32:38.099
have to like, verify or make another word for

00:32:38.099 --> 00:32:41.359
it. You just are a golfer. It's okay. You don't

00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.420
have to be a girl golfer. You can just walk away

00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:47.660
golfers. Right. It sounds so ridiculous when

00:32:47.660 --> 00:32:49.259
you say, boy, we talked about this all day. So

00:32:49.259 --> 00:32:53.059
I'm going to end this with a rapid fire round.

00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:54.720
So just first thing that comes to your mind,

00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:59.140
your favorite post or during golf drink. Transfusion.

00:32:59.779 --> 00:33:02.539
Oh, okay. More intimidating, your first swing

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:07.519
or your first business pitch? Swing. Walk -up

00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:11.339
song if you were teeing off at Augusta? Oh my

00:33:11.339 --> 00:33:13.799
goodness. That's so good. I have to say Pink

00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.640
Pony Club right now. That's the best song. That's

00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:19.640
so great. Worst golf advice you'd ever heard?

00:33:20.380 --> 00:33:24.859
Keep your head down. And one word to describe

00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:29.099
what golf means to you now? Community. That's

00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:31.529
perfect. Great. Well, thank you so much for being

00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:33.390
here and thank you for sharing She Said Golf.

00:33:33.549 --> 00:33:36.410
And like I said, I appreciate that you are doing

00:33:36.410 --> 00:33:38.849
what we talk about is you're getting loud and

00:33:38.849 --> 00:33:40.609
you're getting lifted with golf in the local

00:33:40.609 --> 00:33:43.109
community. So people want to find out more about

00:33:43.109 --> 00:33:46.329
She Said Golf, Instagram. Yeah, follow us on

00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:49.529
Instagram, She Said Golf. Our website is SheSaidGolf

00:33:49.529 --> 00:33:52.690
.com. We keep all of our events on there. You

00:33:52.690 --> 00:33:55.809
can register right on our website for anything

00:33:55.809 --> 00:33:58.710
that you see. We're always adding things to the

00:33:58.710 --> 00:34:01.230
calendar as well. And if you want to reach out,

00:34:01.349 --> 00:34:04.529
just DM us. That's me on Instagram, so I'll respond.

00:34:05.210 --> 00:34:08.329
And any way that you think either yourself wants

00:34:08.329 --> 00:34:11.050
to get involved or your organization, we're open

00:34:11.050 --> 00:34:15.219
to any ways that we can just come together and

00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:17.340
help each other. We have partnered with Golf

00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:21.039
Galaxy in Mechanicsburg. They have pros that

00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:23.780
are so helpful, and they have fitted so many

00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:26.619
of our women for clubs and lessons. So they've

00:34:26.619 --> 00:34:30.280
been a wonderful resource to us. In any way that

00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.619
you think we could help you or help a group that

00:34:33.619 --> 00:34:36.559
you're in, we're open to just making it happen.

00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:38.559
Awesome. That's great. And let's give a plug

00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.579
for Anthem Marketing, who I had the opportunity

00:34:40.579 --> 00:34:42.659
to work with recently too, who does awesome work.

00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:45.340
So definitely LinkedIn and website for Anthem

00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:47.980
Marketing because you clearly know how to build

00:34:47.980 --> 00:34:50.159
brands. I mean, that's what you've done with

00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.449
She Said Golf. So congrats to you. Thank you.

00:34:52.550 --> 00:34:55.449
Thanks, Betsy. Big thanks to Jamie for reminding

00:34:55.449 --> 00:34:57.869
us what real leadership looks like. It's not

00:34:57.869 --> 00:34:59.889
just about winning ourselves. It's about making

00:34:59.889 --> 00:35:02.190
room for more women to get in the game. Jamie's

00:35:02.190 --> 00:35:03.849
not tearing from the sidelines. She's building

00:35:03.849 --> 00:35:05.929
a course, handing out the invites and saying,

00:35:05.929 --> 00:35:08.809
let's go have fun together. She said golf is

00:35:08.809 --> 00:35:11.050
more than a brand. It's a movement to show up,

00:35:11.230 --> 00:35:13.670
to try something new, to feel awkward, but to

00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:16.349
belong anyway. Say yes to the things that challenge

00:35:16.349 --> 00:35:19.889
you and yes to supporting the women. If you're

00:35:19.889 --> 00:35:22.329
waiting for a time to try something new, this

00:35:22.329 --> 00:35:24.909
is it. Grab the club, start the business, take

00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:27.429
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00:35:32.449 --> 00:35:34.710
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00:35:34.710 --> 00:35:36.969
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00:35:36.969 --> 00:35:38.030
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