Newsletter Sign up
Loud & Lifted
Loud & Lifted
Most career advice for women is too polite to be useful. Loud & Lifted isn't. This is the podcast that tells the truth about what women actually deal with at work — toxic bosses, narcissists, getting passed over, salary fights, betrayal from peers, the hard conversations nobody trains you for. And what to actually do about each one. No fluff. No fake cheerleading. Just named problems and specific weapons — the scripts, the tactics, the unfiltered takes from women who've lived it. Because no one makes it alone. And the support system we deserve isn't going to build itself. It's time to get loud and lifted. Are you in?
Sept. 24, 2026

The Good Girl Rules You’re Allowed to Break

The Good Girl Rules You’re Allowed to Break
The Good Girl Rules You’re Allowed to Break
Loud & Lifted
The Good Girl Rules You’re Allowed to Break

So many women were taught to be nice, helpful, agreeable and easy to work with. Those qualities aren’t bad—but they become a problem when they keep us quiet, overextended or afraid to disappoint anyone.

In this Quick Lift, Betsy recaps her conversation with Michelle Minnikin about “Good Girl” conditioning, why people may resist when we begin to change, and how to set boundaries without believing we’ve become cold, difficult or selfish.

Links

Full episode with Michelle

Connect with Michelle Minnikin

WEBVTT

00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.419
Welcome to Allowed and Lifted Quick Lift, where

00:00:02.419 --> 00:00:04.820
we take the biggest ideas from our conversations

00:00:04.820 --> 00:00:07.259
and turn them into something you can use today.

00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:10.080
In my conversation with Michelle Minikin, we

00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:12.800
talked about good girl conditioning. And I want

00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:14.800
to start there because I think that phrase can

00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.280
be very easily misunderstood. When Michelle talks

00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:21.559
about good girl, she is not describing a personality

00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.179
type. She's talking about conditioning. It is

00:00:25.179 --> 00:00:28.379
the set of roles so many women absorb over time

00:00:28.379 --> 00:00:30.539
about how we're supposed to behave if we want

00:00:30.539 --> 00:00:33.320
to be liked, accepted, successful, respected,

00:00:33.840 --> 00:00:37.420
or even just easy to be around. Be nice. Be useful.

00:00:37.740 --> 00:00:40.740
Be agreeable. Don't take up too much space. Don't

00:00:40.740 --> 00:00:43.179
disappoint people. Don't be difficult, prove

00:00:43.179 --> 00:00:46.179
yourself, and keep everyone comfortable. And

00:00:46.179 --> 00:00:48.859
what makes this so sneaky is that a lot of those

00:00:48.859 --> 00:00:52.719
behaviors are rewarded, especially at work. You're

00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.479
dependable, you're helpful, you anticipate what

00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.899
people need. You step in, you fix things, you

00:00:58.899 --> 00:01:01.439
keep them moving, and you're the one everyone

00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:05.120
knows they can count on. Sound familiar? Look,

00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:07.700
none of these are bad qualities. The problem

00:01:07.700 --> 00:01:10.200
is when you stop realizing you have a choice.

00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.700
You start making decisions based less on what

00:01:12.700 --> 00:01:15.579
you actually want or need and more on what will

00:01:15.579 --> 00:01:19.019
keep everyone else happy with you. And that's

00:01:19.019 --> 00:01:21.620
really the point of Michelle's work. This isn't

00:01:21.620 --> 00:01:23.939
about women needing to become tougher or more

00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.620
confident or learning how to say no more often.

00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.840
It's about recognizing the rules that we have

00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:33.079
internalized, rebuilding self -trust and starting

00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.180
to make choices based on what is actually true

00:01:36.180 --> 00:01:39.459
for us. So there were three big takeaways for

00:01:39.459 --> 00:01:41.859
me from this conversation, and each one has something

00:01:41.859 --> 00:01:45.239
very specific you can do with it. Key takeaway

00:01:45.239 --> 00:01:48.920
number one, being capable can quietly turn into

00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:52.400
being endlessly useful. This connected immediately

00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.200
for me, for my conversation with Sherlyn Sklenicki

00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.659
about competence and how it can become a liability.

00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.659
The more you prove you can handle it, the more

00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:05.599
people hand you. And Michelle added another layer

00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.009
to that. Sometimes we keep accepting all of it

00:02:09.009 --> 00:02:11.990
because being useful has become tied to how we

00:02:11.990 --> 00:02:15.430
see our own value. I actually learned a version

00:02:15.430 --> 00:02:18.370
of this pretty early in my career. I worked for

00:02:18.370 --> 00:02:20.650
a woman I really admired and she was incredibly

00:02:20.650 --> 00:02:23.030
capable, worked really hard, and was absolutely

00:02:23.030 --> 00:02:25.990
the person who just got shit done. And because

00:02:25.990 --> 00:02:29.349
of that, people gave her more and more and more.

00:02:29.590 --> 00:02:31.770
And she became the person everybody knew would

00:02:31.770 --> 00:02:34.650
just handle it. At one point, ironically, she

00:02:34.650 --> 00:02:37.330
gave me a book with a title along the lines of,

00:02:37.490 --> 00:02:39.650
why good girls don't get ahead, but gutsy girls

00:02:39.650 --> 00:02:41.990
do. And I remember that sticking with me, you

00:02:41.990 --> 00:02:45.090
know, 20 some years later. Because even back

00:02:45.090 --> 00:02:47.409
then, I could see the difference between being

00:02:47.409 --> 00:02:50.310
valuable because you're strategic, trusted, and

00:02:50.310 --> 00:02:52.710
willing to speak up, and being valuable because

00:02:52.710 --> 00:02:54.750
everybody knows you will quietly pick up whatever

00:02:54.750 --> 00:02:57.669
gets dropped on you. Those two are not the same

00:02:57.669 --> 00:03:00.110
thing. And I think a lot of us fall into this

00:03:00.110 --> 00:03:03.490
without even realizing it. We like being dependable.

00:03:03.650 --> 00:03:07.189
We like being needed. And we like being the one

00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:10.849
who can handle it. But at some point, you have

00:03:10.849 --> 00:03:13.250
to ask whether you are choosing the work or whether

00:03:13.250 --> 00:03:15.870
the work just keeps choosing you because everybody

00:03:15.870 --> 00:03:19.250
knows you'll say yes. So here's your action item.

00:03:19.550 --> 00:03:21.389
The next time something lands on your plate,

00:03:21.729 --> 00:03:25.050
pause before you grab it. Ask yourself, am I

00:03:25.050 --> 00:03:27.969
actually the right person to own this or am I

00:03:27.969 --> 00:03:30.250
just the person everyone knows who will handle

00:03:30.250 --> 00:03:33.560
it? and then go one step further. Do I actually

00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.680
want to say yes here or am I worried about what

00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:40.460
saying no will mean about me? You can absolutely

00:03:40.460 --> 00:03:43.800
still say yes, but now it's a choice instead

00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.419
of just conditioning running quietly in the background.

00:03:47.060 --> 00:03:50.139
Key takeaway number two, your villain error just

00:03:50.139 --> 00:03:53.120
may be the moment you stop performing that old

00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.620
role. This is probably my favorite part of the

00:03:55.620 --> 00:03:57.879
whole conversation. Michelle talks about how

00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:00.500
for a lot of women, being disliked can feel like

00:04:00.500 --> 00:04:04.159
an emergency. And I think that shows up in really

00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:08.099
normal ways. You say no and then spend five minutes

00:04:08.099 --> 00:04:11.500
explaining why. You make a decision and you immediately

00:04:11.500 --> 00:04:14.080
start wondering how everyone is going to feel

00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:16.199
about it. Someone seems annoyed with you and

00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:18.279
now you're replaying the conversation wondering

00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.180
if you should clarify, apologize, soften it,

00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.589
or just somehow fix it. I had to learn this as

00:04:23.589 --> 00:04:26.610
my own career guru. Early in my career, I really

00:04:26.610 --> 00:04:28.990
did think that if I worked hard, tried to do

00:04:28.990 --> 00:04:31.250
the right thing, and treated people well, everybody

00:04:31.250 --> 00:04:33.730
would pretty much see me as sunshine and roses.

00:04:34.610 --> 00:04:36.529
And then you start leading more people and making

00:04:36.529 --> 00:04:40.069
harder decisions, and you realize, oh shit, not

00:04:40.069 --> 00:04:42.069
everyone is going to like me. Not everyone's

00:04:42.069 --> 00:04:44.670
going to even agree with me. And sometimes somebody

00:04:44.670 --> 00:04:47.269
can genuinely think I'm the bad guy, even when

00:04:47.269 --> 00:04:50.149
I believe I made the right decision. That was

00:04:50.149 --> 00:04:53.470
a big shift for me. At some point, I had to stop

00:04:53.470 --> 00:04:56.230
using, does everybody like this, as the test

00:04:56.230 --> 00:04:58.910
for whether I was leading well. And that's why

00:04:58.910 --> 00:05:01.670
Michelle's villain -era language landed so much

00:05:01.670 --> 00:05:04.569
for me. Sometimes becoming the villain in someone

00:05:04.569 --> 00:05:07.410
else's story simply means you stopped absorbing

00:05:07.410 --> 00:05:10.629
the cost of keeping them comfortable. Think about

00:05:10.629 --> 00:05:13.970
that. You say no, and now you're difficult. You

00:05:13.970 --> 00:05:16.310
stop doing something that was never really yours

00:05:16.310 --> 00:05:19.350
to carry and now you're not a team player. You

00:05:19.350 --> 00:05:22.370
stop explaining yourself over and over and now

00:05:22.370 --> 00:05:24.709
somebody thinks you're cold. You leave something

00:05:24.709 --> 00:05:26.610
that isn't working for you anymore and someone

00:05:26.610 --> 00:05:29.459
gets to decide you're selfish. You don't get

00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:31.540
to control everybody else's story about you.

00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.100
And this is also where Michelle's talk about

00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:37.139
becoming unfuck with a bull, which I love, because

00:05:37.139 --> 00:05:39.540
she doesn't mean being cold or not caring what

00:05:39.540 --> 00:05:42.199
anybody thinks. It's almost the opposite. You

00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:44.160
can care what someone thinks. You can listen

00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.199
and you can take feedback and you can admit when

00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.800
you got something wrong. But you are grounded

00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:51.519
enough in yourself that somebody else being unhappy

00:05:51.519 --> 00:05:54.600
with you does not automatically send you into

00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:57.800
fix it mode. I love that. So here's your action

00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:00.439
item. The next time you say no, set a boundary

00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.220
or make a decision somebody doesn't love, pay

00:06:03.220 --> 00:06:06.279
attention to what happens right after. Before

00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.899
you start over explaining or trying to make them

00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:11.899
feel better, just give it a minute. Ask yourself,

00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.959
did I actually do something I need to fix or

00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.500
am I just uncomfortable because they're uncomfortable?

00:06:17.790 --> 00:06:20.189
If you got it wrong, own it. It's gonna happen.

00:06:20.430 --> 00:06:22.970
But if you didn't, let that discomfort sit there

00:06:22.970 --> 00:06:25.350
for a little while without immediately trying

00:06:25.350 --> 00:06:28.649
to make it disappear. That's part of rebuilding

00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:32.110
self -trust. Key takeaway number three, nobody

00:06:32.110 --> 00:06:35.550
necessarily wants you to change. This was another

00:06:35.550 --> 00:06:37.689
part of Michelle's work that I thought was really

00:06:37.689 --> 00:06:40.209
important because we talk a lot about doing the

00:06:40.209 --> 00:06:43.750
work on ourselves. Set the boundary, stop people

00:06:43.750 --> 00:06:46.100
-pleasing, speak up. Stop saying yes to everything.

00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:48.420
Well, that's great, right? But then you actually

00:06:48.420 --> 00:06:50.899
change, and people around you may not be thrilled

00:06:50.899 --> 00:06:54.120
about it. Michelle uses the crab bucket analogy.

00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.920
One crab can climb out of a bucket pretty easily.

00:06:57.149 --> 00:06:59.269
Put a bunch of crabs in there, and when one starts

00:06:59.269 --> 00:07:01.990
climbing out, the others pull it back down. And

00:07:01.990 --> 00:07:04.550
she's not saying everybody around you is intentionally

00:07:04.550 --> 00:07:08.430
trying to sabotage you. Her point is that systems

00:07:08.430 --> 00:07:12.310
like stability. Your team, family, friendships,

00:07:12.490 --> 00:07:15.089
even your workplace have all adjusted to the

00:07:15.089 --> 00:07:19.149
role you play. If you're always the fixer, everyone

00:07:19.149 --> 00:07:22.670
else gets used to you fixing. If you're always

00:07:22.670 --> 00:07:25.709
the accommodating one, people get used to you

00:07:25.709 --> 00:07:29.079
accommodating. If you are the one who never says

00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:32.459
no, your yes becomes part of how the whole system

00:07:32.459 --> 00:07:35.939
functions. So when you change, everybody else

00:07:35.939 --> 00:07:39.279
feels it too. And sometimes the pushback is not

00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.519
really about the boundary itself. They just like

00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.759
the old arrangement better. That does not automatically

00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:49.160
make them bad people. Some people will adjust.

00:07:49.339 --> 00:07:51.740
Some will get curious. Some relationships will

00:07:51.740 --> 00:07:54.920
have to recalibrate. And some people may really

00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:56.759
struggle with this new version of you because

00:07:56.759 --> 00:08:00.139
the old version was much more convenient for

00:08:00.139 --> 00:08:02.500
them. Michelle talks about noticing the difference

00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:06.860
between curiosity and control. Curiosity sounds

00:08:06.860 --> 00:08:10.600
like, okay, tell me more. What's changed? Control

00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:14.060
sounds more like guilt. pressure you've changed

00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:17.220
or trying to push you back into the role you

00:08:17.220 --> 00:08:20.139
were playing before. So here's your action item.

00:08:20.379 --> 00:08:22.240
If you start changing a pattern and somebody

00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.339
pushes back, don't immediately retreat. Give

00:08:25.339 --> 00:08:28.879
it a little time. Ask yourself, is this person

00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.399
trying to understand my change or are they trying

00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:34.039
to get me to go back to the old version of me?

00:08:34.379 --> 00:08:36.779
That does not mean you immediately end the relationship

00:08:36.779 --> 00:08:39.519
or assume that intent. Some people just need

00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:43.769
time to catch up. But you also do not need everybody's

00:08:43.769 --> 00:08:47.230
permission to keep changing. And I think that

00:08:47.230 --> 00:08:49.889
really brings the whole conversation together.

00:08:50.590 --> 00:08:53.450
Good Girl deprogramming is not just setting more

00:08:53.450 --> 00:08:56.149
boundaries. It is recognizing the rules you've

00:08:56.149 --> 00:08:59.070
been following without even realizing it. It

00:08:59.070 --> 00:09:01.830
is checking in with yourself instead of automatically

00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:04.990
looking outward for approval. It is making the

00:09:04.990 --> 00:09:08.679
choice that is actually true for you. And then,

00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:11.440
maybe the hardest part, it is tolerating what

00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.539
happens next without immediately abandoning yourself.

00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:17.740
Someone may not like your answer. Someone may

00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:20.399
prefer the old version of you. Someone may even

00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.200
decide you're the villain. And you can still

00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:26.559
listen, stay kind, take responsibility when it's

00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:29.360
yours, and trust yourself enough not to run back

00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:32.460
and make everybody comfortable again. Maybe that

00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:35.419
is really the villain era. and maybe becoming

00:09:35.419 --> 00:09:39.139
unfuckable is not about becoming somebody completely

00:09:39.139 --> 00:09:41.679
different. Maybe it's just getting to the point

00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.899
where you can come back to yourself and stay

00:09:44.899 --> 00:09:47.500
there. If this hit home, go back and listen to

00:09:47.500 --> 00:09:49.940
my full conversation with Michelle Minikin. We

00:09:49.940 --> 00:09:52.779
get into good girl conditioning, self -trust,

00:09:53.019 --> 00:09:55.480
boundaries, why people may resist when you start

00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.759
changing, and what it actually looks like to

00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:01.139
stop following the rules you never consciously

00:10:01.139 --> 00:10:05.299
chose in the first place. Until next time, stay

00:10:05.299 --> 00:10:06.740
loud and keep lifting.